[An excerpt from a talk with Ryu Murakami, a Japanese novelist.]
|Key to the dialog|
|Miya: ||Hayao Miyazaki|
|RyuM: ||Ryu Murakami|
I gave up on making a happy ending in the true sense, a long time
ago. I can go no further than (the ending in which the lead
character) gets over one issue for the time being. Many things
will happen after this, but this character will probably manage--
I think that's as far as I can go. From the standpoint of a movie
maker, it would be easier if I could make a movie in which
"everybody became happy because they defeated the evil
Yes, that's easier. -laughs- A lot of issues haven't been
solved, but something has ended for the time being, and
probably a new thing will start. Still, this person will
manage to go on somehow-- those who make us
feel like that are all girls, aren't they? -laughs-
And it's a bit painful, since (the depiction of such girls in Miyazaki
anime?) have such reality.
Yes. When I think about making a male a lead, it gets really
intricate. The problem isn't simple. I mean, if it's a story like,
"everything will be fine once we defeat him,"
it's better to have a male as a lead. But, if we try to
make an adventure story with a male lead, we have no choice
other than doing Indiana Jones. With a Nazi,
or someone else who is a villain in anyone's eyes.
And set the time and situation around that.
We can't do anything other than that. It's easy to depict a
boy who wants to do such a thing (be a hero in an adventure
story?), but can't help but to live slovenly. He has more
than enough energy, but he doesn't know how or where to
use it, or even if he uses such energy, he can find his way
only after a long detour-- I can make such a story. But people
ask me "why do you always make a story about a girl?"...
I myself get confused when I think, what if Nausicaa were a
man. -laughs- In that scene in which Nausicaa was on the golden
feelers of Ohmu, if she had been a man, it would be like
"are you stupid!?" -big laughs- Well, Nausicaa is
Well, that's... -big laughs-
But while making animation, I always feel that we are making
big lies. For example, could we depict an affirmative
character with a so-so looking girl? What we are doing is a show
in a sense, after all.
But if they are lovely, that's good enough, isn't it? -laughs-
It's difficult. They immediately become the subjects of
rorikon gokko (play toy for Lolita Complex guys). In a
sense, if we want to depict someone who is affirmative to us, we
have no choice but to make them as lovely as possible.
But now, there are too many people who shamelessly depict
(such heroines) as if they just want (such girls) as pets, and
things are escalating more and more. While we are talking about
the human rights for women, why they can do this, I don't want
to analyze much, but...
[Animage, vol 125, November, 1988.
Reprinted in Shuppatsuten by Hayao Miyazaki;
published by Tokuma Shoten, 1996.]